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#1 2015-11-23 01:37:58

Peter
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Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

At least for myself it seems like oneye has died, only person doing anything seems to be lars on github. COmmunity is gone. Eyeos was great it grew to Oneye, but theres no alternative to it and its newer becoming known nor fashionable. I stopped using it for 6 month now, because its just not chaning anymore.

I will still leep a copy of the latest version.
altho, maybe if i got the time i will create my own from it but for now i am saddened by how far it has gone and how low it has fallen.

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#2 2015-11-23 20:53:11

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

You obviously don't know all the crazy stuff I've been doing over the last 6 months.  I am keeping Lars busy and a little aggravated asking him to fix every little bug and glitch that I find.  Plus I've been begging for several new features, but I won't hold my breath on my feature requests. I'm simply trying to implement them myself. Meanwhile, I've also been developing next generation browsers and development apps that take the new BS "security" rules into account.  So it's been lying around in bed sick for 5 years, but it isn't quite dead yet.  To be honest I can name about a half dozen alternatives, because I have been testing them and getting ideas.  None have as many features as oneye, but a few have some awesome features that I am still trying to backward engineer.  If you are a php/js developer, then I need your help.  I tried contacting a few old community members to get them to help me, but they are ignoring me.

Last edited by Wolfy (2015-11-23 21:00:12)


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#3 2015-11-23 20:57:51

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Oh, I tried using github, but I just don't understand how it works, so I discuss coding and post some of my new apps over on the fb group that I started.  So really, before you throw in the towel, take a look at my setup at

os1.hawkwolf.net

Last edited by Wolfy (2015-11-23 20:59:04)


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#4 2015-11-24 15:16:06

Peter
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Well the GitHub is the only way people like me can see and know if there is anything happening. YOu should get into it (i just give the idea)
I am still learning javascript altho php is one i already use.

Maybe you like to contact me in private. (i also registered on your setup i am checking it as i write)

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#5 2015-11-24 17:23:28

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

I tried to use github, but just made an unusable mess, so I just give my best code and ideas to Lars to insert. The scalable background and the new embedder app are  collaborations between us.  Generally, I won't directly modify a core app, but I recently added a feature and fixed a glitch in eyeIframize.  I'm an old school, main frame programmer (Cobol, Assembler, CICS) but never coded a lick of php or js before 6 months ago, so I often struggle with simple syntax. 

Originally, I spent about 2 months tracking down and downloading every 3rd party app for old eyeos (about 50megs or so). I feel that at least a few are worthy of inclusion in core, some are already in my setup, but many still have bugs. I had to stop fixing these bugs for now, because I spent 3 days fixing some apps that broke again the next time Lars did an update to the core master.  I never know what Lars is going to have to do to core to fix a bug report that I make.  There are still a handful of glitches I would like fixed before going back to the app pool.  I do things like find a feature I want in a "third party" app like from eyeosapps.org or from a search of github and find a way to patch it into the existing structure. 

Thank you for taking time to look at my efforts.  I have some other apps in experimental stages that aren't available to normal users yet. There is one to try though, it's an (unfinished) expansion of eyeBrowse. While you are logged in, create a new eyeLink (Launcher) on the desktop call it eyeSurf and the command is:

eyeIframize.app http://os1.hawkwolf.net/hosted/eyeSurf/eyeSurf2.65.html

This is completely written in javascript.  I started a native oneye php/js mashup, but got stuck on the syntax (I think it was syntax, not even sure).  I also tried to add an "are you sure?" requester, in case you hit the exit by mistake, but got stuck there also.

I also have about 2 dozen links to various web desktops that I haven't shared.  Some are open sourced on github, others are closed source (One of these include a LOT of the features I want to copy).

I would be happy to collaborate with others to get some of these apps (whether new or old) ready.


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Currently accepting new users...  http://www.OS1.hawkwolf.net
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#6 2015-11-24 17:27:11

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

You did not supply your email address with your login, but as you know we can communicate using internal messages.  Improving the login screen is another project.  I need to enforce and error check getting the user's email address and real name.  It would also help a lot to integrate facebook and google logins.  I've already started the process for facebook.


Wolfy
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#7 2015-11-24 17:40:15

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Peter, I sent you a couple of internal messages.  I use my "OS1" system every day, all day, for about 80% of my needs.


Wolfy
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#8 2015-11-24 17:57:51

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Using switch user to look nto your newly created account, I just found another pretty bad glitch. Somewhere along the way, I changed "Public"  to "public".  Currently, it is "public", and most of my users are in the "public" group, yet the system put you in the non-existent "Public".  My windows local host doesn't seem to care about tense, but the live version won't let you or others in "Public" see the "public" folder. I'll see if I can manually fix this little mess for now.


Wolfy
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Currently accepting new users...  http://www.OS1.hawkwolf.net
onEye admins: OS1 is a beta testing hotbed. Non-core apps available upon request.

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#9 2015-11-24 18:51:24

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Hmm, double checking with master, the group is called "public" so I need to check why the new user app is using "Public".  I have 30 users and about a third were in the incorrect group.


Wolfy
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#10 2015-11-24 19:52:44

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

Ok this looks like something wrong with my setup, the master still assigns "public".  I must have corrupted the config a little.  It's fixed now.

Last edited by Wolfy (2015-11-24 19:53:57)


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#11 2015-11-25 12:59:02

nicu
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

I was just sorting through old emails and remembered about eyeOS. Man, am I glad there are people still doing this. Cheers and good luck!

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#12 2015-11-25 15:18:46

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

The internet is completely different than it was 5 years ago.  Especially with loading pages into eyeNav or eyeIframize. I estimate it like this, thousands of websites give warnings that they don't want to load in a frame but currently will do so anyway as long as you hit ignore, hundreds refuse to load at all giving just a blank page, a few score will automatically load into a new tab anyway, and a handful will actually just load on top of your oneye window, wiping out whatever you were working on, without warning. The Iframe method will eventually be only useful for your own hosted content. Almost everything else will be blocked. I set up the "hosted" directory for the purpose of hosting games, videos, entire websites and other apps.  I need to find a way to use cloud storage for this purpose so that I don't lose so much precious server space. I didn't understand all this at first, and I raged and argued with evreyone for a few months.  I tried a few proxies, but that was a very insecure and limited solution (many have limited or no java script support and other problems too). Another solution relied on Java applets to load pages into browsers on your HD, but Chrome has already dropped support for Java.  Then I thought one solution might be to intercept every incoming website in a cache, parse the code and strip out all of the code that was preventing the page from loading into a frame just before sending it to eyeNav or eyeIFramize.  My posts got deleted, I basically got laughed at a lot and I couldn't find any code that even attempted to do that, so eventually, I figured it must not be possible (or if it is possible it's way beyond me) and realized that the only way around the new restrictions is to give them what they want.  AND that's why I'm trying to develop apps that control popup windows. It's tricky as not every browser handles them exactly the same.  Peter was having trouble with them on a linux system.  He said something like, opening new tabs is a bad idea, as if his linux browser would not open a popup window and sent everything to a new tab regardless of the arguments being passed.  After getting his message, I tested my setup on Chromixium with Chromium, two older versions of linux/eyeos mashup systems running old non-updatable versions of firefox (one with linux 2.6 and eyeos1.2 installed, the other linux 3.0 with eyeos1.9) and one of my favorites, Icaros with its own browser called Odyssey.  They each acted differently depending on the browser and what version of browser.  It was hard to tell Chromixium with Chromium from Chrome or Chromium on the Windows system; they acted almost exactly the same.  The old versions of Firefox failed in numerous ways.  Icaros (not a linux distro) worked much as Peter implied, it would only load into tabs and not open a popup. I've never been a linux convert, as much as I have tried in the past to like it, I just can't stand it. However, I have at least a dozen modern versions of linux that I could test in, so hopefully, I will find out more from Peter as to what system and browser he is wanting to run it on.  I run Opera all the time, so generally, my site will be tweaked to run best with Opera. Maybe I need to code slightly different routines for each one and then switch to the best routine depending on the browser being used.  For Opera, eyeIframize will open certain video formats (with plugins ).  For others the same video will not play unless I load it into a window. For wmv specifically, I have to run the link thru the ieTab browser extension to get it to play. I also have to run MS office online through the ieTab extension so that my documents in the cloud can be opened with MS word on my HD.  Like I said , QUITE a bit has changed in 5 years, and it has really picked up speed.  The ground was literally shifting under my feet this year.  One day a site would load into a frame with just a little complaining, but the next day it loaded on top of the system without warning.  One day, a video or a game would play in Chrome, but the next chrome dropped support for that plugin or video format.  It was a lot of wasted effort sometimes. Switching to popup windows has saved me a pile of aggravation.  Now I can go to any website (banks, email, videos) without leaving oneye or risking my oneye session getting overwritten.


Wolfy
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Currently accepting new users...  http://www.OS1.hawkwolf.net
onEye admins: OS1 is a beta testing hotbed. Non-core apps available upon request.

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#13 2015-11-25 15:24:02

Wolfy
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Re: Oneye has no alternative (weirdly) and its dead

I just realized I'm still running Chromixium.


Wolfy
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