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#1 2015-12-03 00:52:49

berctain
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how to install and use eyeos apps

Hi,
I wanted to know if i can install and use eyeos apps or what i need to change to be able use them, i saw it has to many useful apps
so if any one know plz tell me smile

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#2 2015-12-03 12:09:21

berctain
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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

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#3 2015-12-05 05:36:28

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

I started out this year downloading and attempting to install all of those apps.  Not all are available for download anymore, and a few are virus holes now.  However, I ended up with around 50 megs worth of apps and some themes.  Themes generally work, but you have to either rewrite or throw away any css that comes with it.  The old themes sometimes come with a lot of extraneous parts that would have been dealt with by the original css, and may be missing pieces called by oneye's css. Regarding the apps themselves, many (possibly even the majority) reference web services that have either failed or radically changed their api.  Those that are completely native and do not rely on 3rd party sites, often won't work because of deprecated features in the underlying php, js or html since the the app was written. Others will run but in a limited capacity and their function now violates stricter server restrictions and modern "security" rules.  A few of these older apps seem to run fine on first blush, but they have hidden glitches, the most common being a memory leak, but also missing gui elements or the inability to save a file.  Those that actually work straight from the box almost always rely on the soon-to-be-dead tech of either flash or java!  I've also fixed two apps to run properly and then Lars fixed something in the core and broke them again!  That's when I stopped installing and trying to fix the old apps and focused more on finding bugs in the core and looking for the next generation of apps.  I figure I'll get back to those old apps after the core is more stable.  I did have some running on my setup until today.  They updated my php from 5.3 to 5.5 and I had to uninstall all of them (except apps).  One or more of them have a BOM or other bad encoding, so now I need to check those apps, one file one at a time, until I find the bad encoding.


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#4 2015-12-05 11:26:59

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

Just FYI, I finally got my system set back with all of its custom tweaks and a mix of old and new apps, a few apps worth sharing, a few more still on the drawing board.  I can provide any codes or themes you see on my site.  If you start trying to get some of the old apps to work on your own, I'll try to help you or at least figure out why it isn't working.  I also have all the old versions of eyeOS1.x installed on localhost, so I can usually test to see if it ever did run properly.

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#5 2015-12-06 16:59:10

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

Thanks for replying Wolfy,
yes some of them worth to work on it. i think its better to start with working ones and if you have the last working eyeos 2.5 version, i would try it, can you plz share the working apps?

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#6 2015-12-08 11:09:56

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

I have eyeOS2.5 (2.0 also I think)  but they are completely incompatible.  I tried to install a browser for eyeOS2.5, not even close.  I will add you to the Development group on OS1. I have a recent mirror of the system in there.


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#7 2015-12-08 11:56:09

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

Ok, Thanks
I think it would be great and effective smile
what do you think about making an integration with libre office to have full spreadsheet and word features like using "GTK3" and "Broadway"

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#8 2015-12-09 00:00:54

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

You must be a linux guy as I know that GTK probably stands for Gnome Tool Kit, but beyond that, linux and I never got along much.  I have at least a dozen linux systems setup under VMware for testing purposes, but I just don't quite understand the system like I should.  The one I use most often is ubuntu, which I updated the other day to 15.10 before trying to install some virtualization software and other window tools under wine. I didn't have any luck yet, but the problem was that I couldn't remember the procedure to install a new unsupported program to wine.  I'll just have to try again in another day or two.

But back to your question, if you can get libre office to integrate with oneye AND stay in an eyeFrame even during logon and not require software to be installed onto your host's server root, THEN I am sure that libre office would be fine for what most folks need to do with it.  Additionally, Libre Office is the "solution" that is currently implemented using Python(I think so, but didn't double check), but his solution requires additional download for oneye (unoconv) and installation of the libre office software to the server root, and my host provider is not too keen on letting me do anything like that without a serious upgrade to my account. 

Unfortunately, even if my hosting company would allow me to install the current solution, none of the open source clones are good enough for the kind of work that I do.  I need the real MS Word to get the formatting right every time.  I cannot afford to have the formatting thrown off every time I open the doc because I or an associate decides to open and save it using one clone or another...  So after trying about a half dozen or so alternatives and discarding them, and then trying to create a virtual copy of MS Office that would run in an eyeFrame, I ended up pretty much where I should have started- at MS Office Online and the OneDrive cloud. The free online version of Word is just almost as crappy as any of the clones but will (under the right conditions) open a doc from your oneDrive with the copy of Word that you have installed on your HD.  Office Online works best if you have recent MS office installed (2003+, but that might have changed since I checked it about 5 days ago).  Since I still use Word 2000, I had problems with every browser except MSIE. I did not want to change to MSIE as my main browser, so I looked for another solution and found two browser extensions available for Chrome, Opera and Firefox that when used in conjunction fixed the problems (or like I said, this method did fix them about 5 days ago, but things can change in the blink of an eye).  One of the extensions is the "Open Office" extension and the other is "ie.Tabs" extension.  There is also an "Open in ieTab" extension, but if you have the former, the latter is not needed and becomes incompatible.  In Firefox, there are at least two versions of each of these extensions. I think only one of them actually worked for me.  If you need I can check my setup and tell ya which one I setup.

And finally, there was once an app that seamlessly integrated eyeOS and zoho docs.  I almost went with zoho docs, but trying to rewrite the app to work with zoho again, 5 years later and with a totally different interface seemed like it would be more work than just finding something else.

Sorry for the long post (again), but like usual, I wanted to give my 2 cents but ended up putting in a buck fifty.


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#9 2015-12-09 00:46:35

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

Dang, I almost forgot.  There might be a native way to be MS Office compatible again using a package called phpOffice on gitHub.  I played around with this idea a little bit and honestly it seemed promising.  However, I didn't have any assistance to figure this out, so I couldn't get over the major hurdle.  phpOffice is a collection of libraries, that are full of functions needed by the office suite, but I never could find an interface.  Our own eyeDoc interface might work (probably with just a few additional buttons and modifications).  I would consider it a sort eyeDoc 2.0 if it did. 

Then there is ckEdit.  ckEdit is featured in 4 of the eyeLinks I dropped into the public folder last night. It has gotten so good that it is now the default editor installed with for Wordpress.  I didn't double check, but I think that's the big CMS that adopted it completely. Though it is distributed in three standard and ready made packages, ckEdit is entirely configurable with about 1000 or more plugins to mix and match.  Be warned that if you do what I did and select every single plugin for your custom build, the monster won't run.

I guess the point is that it may be possible for a properly configured ckEdit to pass as a good enough Word Processor for most, OR it may also be possible that ckEdit's highly configurable interface options would make it ideally suited as the interface for phpWord.

If I knew more about how to code php, especially that part about calling library functions, I would either be knee deep into eyeDocs 2.0 or would have already figured out that it was a dead end.

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#10 2015-12-11 14:03:44

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

@Wolfy, Hi
Sorry for delay to replying you, I would say that i'm good in Linux so we can try any thing needed also i have my own server that we can play on things unlimited..
I think its better starting to test it in a browser first and when we get the point we can try to implementing that into oneye. for now i dont think about applications out of Linux. but of course i will make a research about the ways you talked about, specially phpoffice
to me "Linux + Libre Office + Python + GTK3 + Broadway" can show us that full featured office pack in a web browser smile

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#11 2015-12-12 19:50:39

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

Your Linux_Libre Office solution sounds similar to the unoconv sultion.  Unfortunately, when I asked my live hosting company about it, they said, I'm not allowed to implement that sort of solution without considerably more investment in hosting services. Currently, I'm running Win 10 with IIS10 for my localhost test bed, however, my live hosting provider uses Centos5.11.  They do not always act the same, so I may set up an old laptop as localhost server with Centos 5.11 on it. I just don't have time to reformat and install the software on the laptop or space to put it right now. 

I am on OS1 almost 80-90% of the time.  Although I sometimes still forget, I try to check the board and internal message systems regularly.  I also have an eyePad setup where we can chat and edit text collaboratively, if we are able to establish time to meet up there.   If you have access to fb or fb messenger for desktop, it's the only chat protocol I still use.

I'm starting to get to the point where my other projects are starting to suffer from lack of attention.

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#12 2015-12-12 20:53:15

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Re: how to install and use eyeos apps

I'm leaning more and more toward app virtualization. I tested cameyo virtualization on ubuntu with wine and PCbsd (both under VMware) yesterday.  PCbsd wouldn't run cameyo.exe, but runs the virtual apps under firefox with no problems, ubuntu with wine runs parts of the cameyo.exe and grudgingly runs the apps, but it does work.  If you check out the facebook group, I post screen shots and comments of my latest experiments on a semi-regular basis.  As a side note- cameyo is based on open source.  There's a packet on github if someone is able to mod and tweak the code to work better with oneye.


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